Hardware

Gordon: to nezní úplně optimisticky. Skoro jako bys říkal, když máš AMD máš problém. :) A teď vážně podobné příznaky jsem registroval na Intel + Nvidia taky. Máš dostatečně dimenzovaný zdroj na Radeon 580?
V posledním Computeru byl test GPUs s názvem neporažená generace (zkuste hádat jaká, máte jen jeden pokus) a porovnávali tam výkon R580 vs GTX 1060 ale i provozní vlastnosti. Doslova napsali, že hráč který hraje pár hod. denně by měl zvážit investici do GTX, protože rozdíl ve spotřebě za rok půjde citelně poznat na faktuře. Tohle by AMD mohlo fakt vylepšit.

Kwoky: ticho po pěšině, jsem zvědav co řekne na CPU, atd.

@Jab (02.09.2018 00:01): ty ceny jsou opravdu brutální. Nejspíš ještě dlouho budu žít s GTX 1060 6 GB.

Nedávno tady Paul dával článek o Intel procesorech viz. na webu ne zrovna z moc dobrou pověstí u nás v ČR. Každopádně nemohu než souhlasit s prvním názorem pod článkem. Doporučuji si jej přečíst.

Respektive dám ho rovnou tady This site is extremely Intel/nVidia friendly. Don't get me wrong, I'm absolutely not accusing DF of bias - at least not voluntary bias - as they are tech experts focused just about exclusively on gaming and there shouldn't be any doubt in anyone's mind that Intel and nVidia are better at gaming than AMD.

That being said, I feel there might be some involuntary bias creeping in here. As they are focused on gaming, are enthusiasts and don't necessarily need to procure all of their gear due to their deserved fame and even when they do have to buy things themselves, I reckon they have the disposable income to spare, especially since they can justify it as a job expense, they'll naturally be attracted to the top products with little regard to value and be overly critical of any and all shortcomings especially when it comes to gaming.

What I'm getting at is that this piece, like a fair deal of others, is perfect for individuals with their same mindset and who can afford the greatest regardless of value as they can, but it can actually be bad for the other, more restrained readers, who I'd guess are the majority. Without being very careful to stay aware of my personal gaming and general PC using habits, this article would do a great job at dissuading me from buying a Ryzen and going for Intel instead. I have to actively make an effort to remind myself that I'm gaming at 60hz and regardless I don't have a ridiculous GPU as the (OCd) Titan XP they're using here so that it could become bottlenecked by the CPU. And even then I still have to remind myself that the 8700K is 15% more expensive than the 2700X even before we factor in the necessity of buying an aftermarket cooler for the former. All for a pretty marginal improvement in gaming - and even then only if you have at least a GTX 1080 or equivalent and game above 60Hz - and lower performance in most productivity tasks.

I'm not saying buy a Ryzen. For me it's the better option and thankfully I've managed to maintain that opinion even after reading this article, despite it taking a fair effort. For you the i7 might me the better option and you should absolutely go for that. But I do feel that these articles should be better framed to speak to all users, not only to the elite, if nothing else for the following reason:

We all know that for years Intel CPUs have been objectively better by just about every metric and thus they rested on their laurels giving us barely perceptible improvements from one generation to the next. The leaps they've made in the past two years were due to AMD finally catching up and making CPUs worth having. Even Richard says he's curios to see how AMD will respond to the i9 9900k, hoping AMD will be competitive and drive more innovation from both companies moving forward. The problem is that AMD doesn't get the money to improve their designs and make competitive CPUs out of thin air. They need sales. And articles as terribly convincing as this one to go for an Intel processor, whether it actually makes sense for you personally or not, can only be bad for the industry. For me personally a Ryzen is better value. I'm sure it is for a fair few others as well. But if we all go for Intel regardless, because it's better (for gaming) and disregard value, then AMD goes out of business or at least has no R&D budget to stay competitive and we go back to 5% improvements y/y. That's bad for the whole industry.

Again, I'm not saying buy AMD if an Intel is better for your use case scenario. I've seen people saying they'll do that and while I respect their sacrifice, I'm not entirely in agreement to sacrificing yourself, however little, for a corporation. All I'm saying is please, analyse carefully your use case scenarios and see what the best value is for you and if it's Ryzen, then buy that instead of going for the shiny.

@Kwoky (31.08.2018 19:46): :) A co teď? Když vidím tu foto, mám totéž po koupi fan Artic Freezer 7 Pro někde v krabici. :)

@valcik (31.08.2018 13:39): ale no tak. Počet vláken je sice stejný ale počet cores už nikoliv! V multithread to i starý Ryzen 1200 Pentiu natře. To Pentium těží hlavně z vysoké frekvence (3,7G hz vs 3,4 Ghz max. u Ryzenu), proto ten výkon na 1 core. Ryzen můžeš přetaktovat a dohnat tak to Pentium. Nicméně HT bude vždy pomalejší než 4 cores. Jinak cena je fajn, to zas jo.

@ugraugra (30.08.2018 20:44): jednou Intel, navždy Intel. :)

@Kwoky (30.08.2018 18:50): to je zatraceně dobrá cena! Zvlášť když u konkurence stojí 7900 Kč!